does not want to raise taxes crowd and he was only very tentatively supportive of the whiskey tax, distilled spirit tax and jefferson was, i think where she sympathetic to protesters. jefferson said a lot of things that modern-day taxpayers can see sun. jefferson was an outlier. washington did not support the whiskey rebellion. he actually participated in the military effort. hamilton believed, as i was going to be a big debate any need to have that debate. you always need to have that debate, but you don't hobble yourself before and with additional structural difficulties because it could be very, very important in the future to every source of revenue. >> host: when we come back when i want to talk specific issues unable to talk about about the politics behind it and the reason that led you to write the book. we'll be back in a little bit. >> guest: okay, excellent. >> host: welcome back, people often. let's talk about what the founders had to say, different opinions on these issues than with the right-wing commentator are talking about has to say. we talked already about religion in taxes